OC/DC/ST Coordinators (Chip Kelly OC, Patrick Graham DC)

[haji81872]

Do we need an OC/DC thread or do we just keep that talk in the Pete Carrol thread?

If we don't please delete this.

[erickench]

He's a 3-4 coach being asked to run a 4-3. That's the problem I have with him.

[haji81872]

[quote=ReturnOfTheMaxx post_id=1272270]I'm not down on the move, but I'm not as optimistic as others.

I don't think Patrick Graham is the heir apparent to Pete Carroll that some people seem to think he is.

Patrick Graham has already garnered the respect around the league to be considered for head coaching opportunities. I think the chances are that if Graham fields a top 10 defense next season, that he's likely to be poached by another team. If it doesn't happen next season and he backs it up again the season after, then he is almost a certainty to be gone. If the three years is up and Pete has had enough and no other team has decided to take Graham as coach, what makes anyone think he'd be the right man for our job?

I think the better move would have been to give Leonard the DC job and allow him to grow for the 3 years that Pete is at the helm and learn how to lead from one of the best to ever do it in terms of being able to bring a group of men together and lead them. Perhaps Leonard could have the potential to be the the heir to Carroll, he's certainly got a great reputation among players, arguably better than Graham.

Hopefully the Raiders have a plan long term and aren't just focused on the next 3 years.[/quote]He can't learn while he is a DL coach? He sits in on the same meetings, is involved in the same discussions. Part of the same decisions. Another year under Graham isn't going to retard his development.

[haji81872]

[quote=BoKnows81 post_id=1272280]Meh. Would of much rather them make Leonard the DC.[/quote]Because?

[chucker]

The respect between Graham and Leonard is evident, and Leonard seems to get a lot of latitude to grow while working with Graham. Retaining both guys is a win-win. Adding Carroll as a guiding force and motivator is another bonus. The discussion of 4-3 vs 3-4 in today's NFL isn't really relevant anymore - every team uses both these days. I feel good about the defense, as long as we retain some of our key FAs.

The other side of the ball is obviously more of an issue with lesser players and coaches. If we retain Graham as DC, then we wouldn't need to do more Rooney interviews for that role but we still need to comply on the offensive side for OC and QB coach.

[Rabid Raider]

We need a dynamic OC to nail the coaching off season. It was a cluster last year and the team must get it right.

Imagine McCarthy for a year while he waits for his next job?

[GUYDON]

Makes you wonder what the defense would have looked like without tue offense truning it over 3 time a game.
Much less losing half your starters to injiry.

[GUYDON]

[quote=Sold My Soul post_id=1272255]Yes......Like live into your 80's.[/quote]Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Parts start to wear out, organs quit brains decline. Ots just the nature of being human.
I think is ahead if the curve but time is undefeated

[chucker]

https://twitter.com/KuhnTristen/status/ ... 6242074987

[Viper]

[quote=chucker post_id=1272312]https://twitter.com/KuhnTristen/status/ ... 6242074987[/quote]I like this alot. There is nothing but good to be gained by keeping the 2 together. Probably helps us to retain some key guys, too.

[Dr Death]

That's good news. With the two staying together and the players healthy, tbe D should be a strength .

[DanKD]

This is perfect. And if Graham gets a HC job next year you promote Leonard to DC and net 2 3rd rounders

[Sir Raider Duck, OMS]

[quote=chucker post_id=1272303]The discussion of 4-3 vs 3-4 in today's NFL isn't really relevant anymore - every team uses both these days. I feel good about the defense, as long as we retain some of our key FAs.[/quote]I remember McDaniels being asked about 4-3 or 3-4 in his intro presser: he pointed out that teams are in a nickel defense with four guys on the line 85% of the time, so any talk about which one you "technically" are is pointless.

[Be_Easy_25]

Do we know if Patrick Graham is locked in for at least a couple of years?

[chucker]

[quote=Be_Easy_25 post_id=1272322]Do we know if Patrick Graham is locked in for at least a couple of years?[/quote]Graham's contract expired after 2024 so he will have signed a new contract - it would be pretty weird if that wasn't for at least a couple of years.

[RickRyb]

I thought I read somewhere Graham signed a 3 year contract.