Raiders transaction thread
- HesterLayes
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Raiders transaction thread
If this isn't ok,please remove. would be nice to have just our moves so it's easier to keep track of. please and thank you.
- ELCAraiderfan
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[quote=chucker post_id=1279658]It's complicated. We cut James and Minshew and both guys have some guaranteed salary in 2025. Call it $3.5 million - it's somewhere in that range for each guy I think. If a team signs them then, assuming we have offset provisions in the contracts (likely), we get money back and a corresponding salary cap credit for the amount the guy was signed for up to the 2025 guaranteed money.
If nobody wants to pay the guy more than $3.5 million, then they'll just sign for the minimum of say $1.2 million (depending on years of service in the league) and we'll get the $1.2 million in cash and cap. The player gets paid no more than he would get by sitting on his couch.
If teams decide the guy is worth say $6 million then we'll get our full $3.5 and the player will effectively get $2.5 million more than sitting on his couch.
Russell Wilson, for example, made the same amount last season as if he'd sat on his couch. The Broncos got maybe $1.2 million back - effectively from the Steelers.
You'll never see the offset credits show up anywhere - I think they are buried in an adjustment to the total available cap for the team the following year, along with a ton of other things. Every year each team actually has a different salary cap as a result of many adjustments to each team's cap.
As for clearing waivers, neither player has to clear waivers this time of year because they are vested veterans with more than 4 years of service. Neither player can officially be cut or sign with another team until FA officially starts because the guaranteed salary they have can't hit the cap until the new league year. We don't have any cap room in the 2024 league year to cover the immediate cap hit of that guaranteed money.[/quote]This is awesome.
If nobody wants to pay the guy more than $3.5 million, then they'll just sign for the minimum of say $1.2 million (depending on years of service in the league) and we'll get the $1.2 million in cash and cap. The player gets paid no more than he would get by sitting on his couch.
If teams decide the guy is worth say $6 million then we'll get our full $3.5 and the player will effectively get $2.5 million more than sitting on his couch.
Russell Wilson, for example, made the same amount last season as if he'd sat on his couch. The Broncos got maybe $1.2 million back - effectively from the Steelers.
You'll never see the offset credits show up anywhere - I think they are buried in an adjustment to the total available cap for the team the following year, along with a ton of other things. Every year each team actually has a different salary cap as a result of many adjustments to each team's cap.
As for clearing waivers, neither player has to clear waivers this time of year because they are vested veterans with more than 4 years of service. Neither player can officially be cut or sign with another team until FA officially starts because the guaranteed salary they have can't hit the cap until the new league year. We don't have any cap room in the 2024 league year to cover the immediate cap hit of that guaranteed money.[/quote]This is awesome.
- GUYDON
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Did the raiders announce any actual signings today. They had all the agreements but I thought they would be signed today.
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[quote=chucker post_id=1279722]I've mostly been in money laundering for drug empires.[/quote]I like it. Hiding in plain sight. 
- NoClapsPlease
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[quote=LayneStaley post_id=1277901]Not sure if those goes here or in FA thread…
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status ... 7906253931[/quote]Dude is f[raiders_icon]cking garbage. Thank god.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status ... 7906253931[/quote]Dude is f[raiders_icon]cking garbage. Thank god.
- BoJacksonRules
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I remember several members saying James was garbage going back a couple of years. There of course were several members calling them out and using his PFF grade as evidence that he was really good. 
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[quote=BoJacksonRules post_id=1280014]I remember several members saying James was garbage going back a couple of years. There of course were several members calling them out and using his PFF grade as evidence that he was really good.
[/quote]Yep, James sucked.
But look at all the free agents we are signing now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But look at all the free agents we are signing now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Some people were calling him the “Leader of the O-line.” I remember thinking then… “How can a dude who gets blown up or pushed back into the backfield on every pass play…. And never gets any push on run plays, be their LEADER?”
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[quote=Vercingetorix post_id=1280254]Some people were calling him the “Leader of the O-line.” I remember thinking then… “How can a dude who gets blown up or pushed back into the backfield on every pass play…. And never gets any push on run plays, be their LEADER?”[/quote]A Devils Advocate would say "mental, schematic, and emotional" support would make a man a leader.
Helping the Rookies learn the system or how to read a D. A veteran presence should be an on the field coach, if you are a good teammate.
Helping the Rookies learn the system or how to read a D. A veteran presence should be an on the field coach, if you are a good teammate.
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[quote=Vercingetorix post_id=1280254]Some people were calling him the “Leader of the O-line.” I remember thinking then… “How can a dude who gets blown up or pushed back into the backfield on every pass play…. And never gets any push on run plays, be their LEADER?”[/quote]I hope some other team does their scouting via reading PFF grades and pays him based on that, so we get the guaranteed money back for this year for James.
- Opoponax50
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James is alright. IIRC, he was supposed to be stopgap until we found someone better, but he was just good enough for us to ignore the position because we had greater needs. Then he became a 4 or 5 year stopgap center.
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[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1280262]James is alright. IIRC, he was supposed to be stopgap until we found someone better, but he was just good enough for us to ignore the position because we had greater needs. Then he became a 4 or 5 year stopgap center.[/quote]He's serviceable. I think he might have been our third best center last year, behind JPJ and Parham.
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[quote=Opoponax50 post_id=1280262]James is alright. IIRC, he was supposed to be stopgap until we found someone better, but he was just good enough for us to ignore the position because we had greater needs. Then he became a 4 or 5 year stopgap center.[/quote]Our short yardage offense was just piss poor with him at center. No push. A UDFA succeeding Rodney Hudson.